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Usually you see me crowing about my reading triumphs, such as they are: I finished Middlemarch! I read three--count 'em, three!--books by Patrick Leigh Fermor with lots and lots of big words in them! But when have I written about the books that have defeated me?

Perhaps it's silly, but I do feel defeated when I can't finish something. Sitting in shame upon my shelf, unfinished, is Don Quixote. Apparently I can take only so much wacky picaresque Spanish fun. Then there's the Leni Riefenstahl autobiography, which is another kind of wacky fun altogether--that of the self-delusional kind. (I don't even think I made past page 30 of the Riefenstahl book.)

My latest defeat was an post-World War II Italian novel, That Awful Mess on the Via Merulana. On first glance, it seemed right up my alley: It's Italian, it's about murder, it's grim, it's fabulous, it sounds as if it's written by a dude who is the Italian equivalent of Nabokov. "Baroque wordplay," the book blurb says. Well, I careened through all the baroque wordplay like a pinball, battered against classical allusions, Mussolini puns, and serpentine lines of ancient Greek that required the help of my spouse:

Me: Honey, what does this here line o' Greek mean? [insert banjo music]

Her: You know that one...it's from Heraclitus, you know, "no one ever steps in the same river twice," blah blah blah.

(Actually, she did say the whole line, I'm just too lazy to write it here.)

So I plow on, grimly determined to finish, not enjoying it at all, and I hit this passage, where the main character, a detective named Ingravallo, indulges in some musings about the opposite sex:

The female personality...what did it all mean?...Typically gravity-centered on the ovaries...the woman's personality turns for affective coagulations and condensations to the husband or whoever functions in his place, and from the lips of the idol take the daily oracle of the understood admonition....

And I was done. To quote Heraclitus, "blah blah blah." (My translation.)

The plot involves the murder of a woman who could not bear children, and was so desperate for a child that she tended to "adopt" young women (yes, lesbo undercurrents, but not developed or explored--oh, what the hell, I didn't really finish the book, so I don't know. I'm just going by Calvino's foreword). So there is a lot of blather about women and how necessary childbirth is to their fulfillment. Yawn. I accept that having children means a lot to many, many women, but not when this truth is reduced to the be-all and end-all of a woman's existence, to a lot of pseudo-psychological misogyny, and when the character in question is not written with any real empathy, depth, or understanding. (Not that the other characters are written with a great deal of empathy either.)

So in order to hopscotch to the end, I started to read only the first sentence of each paragraph and nothing more. (A trick proposed by the missus, which made me realize this is how she gets through all those goddamn big boring books!) It kind of made sense that way. I found out what happened to the stolen jewels, at least. But as for who murdered the woman?

You never find out.

Date: 2008-06-12 07:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] old-wp.livejournal.com
I'm sorry, every time I read "Heraclitus" I laugh. I'm sorry, I'm five.

Date: 2008-06-12 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
You and Miss Davies report to the principal's office IMMEDIATELY. And no making out in the hallway!

Date: 2008-06-12 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] return2zero.livejournal.com
So there is a lot of blather about women and how necessary childbirth is to their fulfillment. Yawn.

So let me guess - written by a man??

I ask because you wrote:
it sounds as if it's written by a dude who is the Italian equivalent of Nabokov
Edited Date: 2008-06-12 08:16 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-06-12 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
Yep. You got it!

Date: 2008-06-12 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angharad_gov.livejournal.com
there, there, dear. i never finished don quixote, either. i was hospitalized when i began to read it so perhaps if i end up doing a long hospital stint again, i'll have the opportunity to complete the damn thing.
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Date: 2008-06-12 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
That you didn't finish it either makes me feel better.

if i end up doing a long hospital stint again, i'll have the opportunity to complete the damn thing.

If that is the only time you think you'll finish it, then may you never do so. :)

Date: 2008-06-12 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angharad_gov.livejournal.com
i always mean to bring it along during my (many, many) med appointments to read whist in the waiting area, but i end up bringing ::chuckle:: wonder woman trades :). how shameful, considering i was a lit nut, eh?

Date: 2008-06-12 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
Considering how heavy Don Quixote is--literally, even in paperback form--I don't blame you. Frankly I got tired of carting it around on my commute!

Date: 2008-06-12 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noir-moll.livejournal.com
...and I hit this passage, where the main character, a detective named Ingravallo, indulges in some musings about the opposite sex...

I'm hoping that guy does not get laid in the book. How does one say "asshat" in Italian?

I found out what happened to the stolen jewels, at least. But as for who murdered the woman?

So, these were actual stolen jewels and not some euphemism for our personality-controlling lady junk?

Date: 2008-06-12 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
Now that you mention it, the stolen jewels probably WERE some sort of metaphor for lady junk! The jewels belonged (IIRC) to another character, and the connection between their theft and the murder never seems clear (like every other fucking thing in the book).

And no, the guy does not get laid. He lusts over various females, including the dead woman--the description of her dead body is practically pornographic. Another thing that icked/irritated.

Date: 2008-06-12 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leavethesky.livejournal.com
LOL!! I've tossed books aside for much less (a badly-written sentence is enough). Also, I've developed an aversion to misogynistic and/or texts and characters...which rules out most of the Western canon. Guess I should be glad I was forced to read so much of it in HS and as an undergrad?

Love Calvino though, so I can see why the foreword would persuade.

I'm rereading bits of Coup de Grace and The Secret Histories right now, btw. It's my comfort fic. Soooooo good.

Date: 2008-06-12 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
I've tossed books aside for much less

Then I'm all the more flattered that you keep rereading my stuff (although they are not books, but certainly long enough...yikes). :)

I read a lot of lit in HS & undergrad too, but clearly I am more of a masochist. Although less so as I get older, particularly misogynistic texts. So I consider it a public service to warn you about this book!

Date: 2008-06-12 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leavethesky.livejournal.com
That was supposed to read, "misogynist or racist texts". Damn! And yes, I love your fic. Having the pleasure of reading well-written stories about strong, interesting women (who even fall in love with each other!) is... well 'rare' doesn't even cover it. If it were alive, it would be an endangered species. Even by the Bush administration's standards.

And thank you for the heads up. I'm always happy to cross crappy books off my list.

Have you read any Ali Smith? She's my new literary love/obsession.

Date: 2008-06-13 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
If it were alive, it would be an endangered species.

Ha! For reals. The more I look at the dross that comes out these days, the truer it seems.

I have seen Ali Smith's name here and there...do you recommend anything in particular?

Date: 2008-06-13 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leavethesky.livejournal.com
Hotel World is fantastic and so is Like, which was her first novel. I think she's won pretty much every prize in England.
I just read Girl Meets Boy (in which the Boy is actually a girl), which is a retelling or the myth of Iphis. Also very good, but I'd start with Hotel World.

I think she's a genius, but I know her style isn't for everyone.

Date: 2008-06-13 11:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
Thanks for the recs! I'll try to pick up one of these at the library.

And speaking of recs, have you read this story (http://spyrel.darkeninghorizon.com/PretiumSilenti1.htm) yet? I have one word for you: GABRIATOR!

Date: 2008-06-14 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leavethesky.livejournal.com
Yeah, I read it. And wasn't sure what to think, honestly. It's incredibly well-written and honest, but it kind of straddled that line of too much violence (and rape) inflicted on victimGabrielle...even though she's undeniably strong. Even though I know it's realistic, I'm still not comfortable with it. Does that make sense? Maybe it's the relentlessness of the violence that I have a problem with? I don't know. I'm totally conflicted on this one. Yes, it's a great story. Yes, it makes me incredibly uncomfortable. Yes, I'm babbling. I can't stop thinking about it, which could be seen as a good thing...or a bad thing.

If only we were still in NYC I'd loan you the Ali Smith. *dramatic, long-suffering sigh*

Date: 2008-06-14 12:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
I hear you--there was a lot of violence in the story (not to mention the rape, but I've read much, much worse, so I did not find it too upsetting), and I can totally understand why it would disturb, regardless of how realistic it may seem. Actually, the violence did seem over the top--it was kind of amazing that Gabrielle was still standing (let alone alive) after all the physical abuse she endured. I hope she and the Conqueror went on a nice little vacay to Lesbos after that.

Don't mourn for NYC too much. If you lived here, you'd have to deal with $4000/month rents for postage-size studio apartments. In Queens. :)

Date: 2008-06-14 04:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leavethesky.livejournal.com
Actually, the violence did seem over the top--it was kind of amazing that Gabrielle was still standing (let alone alive)

Yeah, I was halfway expecting a reveal that Gabrielle was actually a vampire, or immortal because no one could survive all of that and still fight much less stand. Or talk. Still, it was one hell of a story. And yes, I agree there should be a fluffy epilogue with the two of them bandaged from head to toe sipping the Hellenic version of pina coladas while telling each other exactly what they plan to do to each other (sexually) when they've recuperated... in six months. You can see why I don't write fic anymore :)

Edited Date: 2008-06-14 04:38 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-06-12 10:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badtyler.livejournal.com
affective coagulations and condensations ... daily oracle of the understood admonition...

In the words of Tom Robbins: "WTF does that even mean?"
Casey Novak adds: "Can someone please explain this to me?"

God, I feel so unfulfilled! I forgot to have children!

Date: 2008-06-13 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
Casey + Tom Robbins: Now THERE's an interesting meeting of the minds. :)

I forgot to have children!

Heh! Wasn't there a postcard like this? One of those retro ones with the women who looked like they were from cartoons or a Roy Lichtenstein painting...there was a whole series of them...okay, I'm blathering...you forgot to have children, I forgot to buy wine!

One and a half, anyway.

Date: 2008-06-13 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badtyler.livejournal.com
Minds, I mean.
Yes, there was a whole series of those cards: in that one, the woman looked utterly horrified-- more like she had forgotten to feed the children.

TR: "As the indigo sky crept inexorably toward Homer's cliched rosy-fingered dawn, I wondered, not for the first time, how I came to be a character in an LJ drabble..."

CN: "Pink cloudy skies! That color would go so well with my lime green blazer. But I'm not a lawyer anymore... I'm a lettuce shredder at Subway!"

Re: One and a half, anyway.

Date: 2008-06-13 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
It could be a new sitcom: One and a Half Minds. Former ADA and current Subway lettuce girl Casey Novak gets a new roommate: quirky novelist Tom Robbins! Together with their pal Knut, who lives across the hall, these three get into more trouble than a New York State governor!

Re: One and a half, anyway.

Date: 2008-06-14 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badtyler.livejournal.com
Oh, you are a genius!

CN: "Hey, roomie-- why the dark glasses?"
TR: "Um... Casey, babe, your clothes are blinding me... and I have to get this draft to my publisher by tonight!"

Knock! Knock! Enter Knut.
TR: "Knut, my man! What's shakin'?"
Knut: "Snorfle-- saw 'Sex and the City'..."
CN: (jumps up, scattering shredded lettuce everywhere)
"How WAS it?"
Knut: "SnorfleCRAP!"
TR: "Aw, man... sorry to hear it. Casey, do you have to bring your work home with you? There is lettuce everywhere!"
Knut: "SnorfleIncompetent!"
TR: "Oh, there she goes again... Casey, stop crying. When I'm done here, we can drink some wine in a box and play Twister, OK?"
CN: "Awww. You guys are the best!"

commercial break.

I need to go to sleep. Obviously!

Re: One and a half, anyway.

Date: 2008-06-14 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
Bwahahaha...oh man, I so want this to be a TV show!

Re: One and a half, anyway.

Date: 2008-06-14 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badtyler.livejournal.com
It's a bit scary when you think that it might actually be better than some of the crap that's out there now!

I'm bored... maybe I'll write a whole episode and send it to one of the networks.

Heh!

Date: 2008-06-12 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eclecticfan.livejournal.com
I feel your pain...

I tried to read A Confederacy of Dunces by
John Kennedy Toole about 4 times before giving the book to a charity drive (not sure I did them any favors)

The notes said this book was da bomb! it was da crap!

oy vey

I have never wanted to beat in a fictional character's head with a dead fish before trying to slosh through his novel...

donate and move on - my only advice...
Edited Date: 2008-06-12 11:49 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-06-13 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
I remember liking A Confederacy of Dunces...but I did read it about 20-odd years ago. Not sure I'd enjoy it now. (I seem to remember a lot of stereotypical characters.)

I admire you persistence...four times? Were you trying to impress a girl? :) I probably would have given up after the first time!

Date: 2008-06-14 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eclecticfan.livejournal.com
I wish it was to impress a girl - I just remember feeling I should like it because it got such great reviews - and this was years ago before I went back to grad school... I just, that main character? I just wanted to slap him silly

Date: 2008-06-13 01:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psimilarity.livejournal.com
It's so disappointing when you love a writer then you come across a passage like the "understood admonition" catastrophe. Well, that's not exactly your point, I know, but it reminded me of an experience I recently had. I have a great obsession with Walter Benjamin and a student I was smashed on (brilliant, self-effacing, that perfect combination) drew my attention to a nightmare passage that I have more or less effaced from memory but involved women being rightfully understood as on "all fours." My God.

who's afraid of Adam Bede?

Date: 2008-06-13 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
I have a copy of Benjamin's Arcade Project...used to keep it in the bathroom because it was great fun to open it up and read at random. Thankfully I've never encountered that quote anywhere. Ugh. Had I encountered it in my bathroom readings, it would have been an excellent cure for constipation.

congrats on finishing Middlemarch! Between Daniel Deronda and Mill on the Floss, I'm all Ellioted out for the time being.

Date: 2008-06-13 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psimilarity.livejournal.com
Btw, I finished Middlemarch too -- no mean feat -- but Adam Bede defeated me. I have read The Mysteries of Udolpho twice, but that's such a fucking great book no boasting is warranted.

Date: 2008-06-13 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adastranot.livejournal.com
a woman who could not bear children, and was so desperate for a child that she tended to "adopt" young women

My dear Miss Vivian,

It has been ages since I've written, what with the dustbowl storms and the loss of our only milking cow to a wolf, but hearing from you again warms the heart and dampens the sorrows He has wrought upon our family. I send this parcel-post of darned knickers for our girls you have so graciously taken into your home and upon your bountiful bosom. How is Mary? Elizabeth? And young Eliza Sue? I trust they have provided as much comfort to you as you have to them. As you once said, "a hearty nubile young soul from this great country's breadbasket is a treasure to behold and to be held". Your boarding house has been such a blessing to our daughters. Please let them know that I pray for them and for you, my dear friend. Your generosity will not be forgotten when you reach His Kingdom.

I must keep this short, I fear. Bitter storms have flooded the lands here and Seth and I must prepare the ox and cart should we need to flee. We have had three new babies since our last correspondence and I would hate to lose another to His fury. Our hearts have yet to mend after baby Sudduth was overcome by that hoard of locusts. But, as Seth reminds me daily, our hearts will go on.

Please send word when you receive this parcel post - the rider through St. Joe has been unreliable and we've taken to sending our posts through the city of heathens in Wichita. One never knows if it will be stolen or worse. Grandmother Gunderson saw the dress she sent for me on a woman of ill repute in Carthage and I have not heard the end of that.

Godspeed to you and much affection to all,

Mrs. Seth Gunderson
Chanute, KS
June 12, 1873



Date: 2008-06-13 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
My dear Mrs. Gunderson,

Beloved friend, how wonderful to hear from you again! Long these many months I have prayed that you and your family would reap the bounty that you all so richly deserve: "For he who ploweth the field and milketh the cow shall dwell in the sheltering might of the Lord's shotgun shack." (Ezekiel 345:92, James King translation)

Even in such sour times, I thank you humbly for your gift. Mary, Elizabeth, and Eliza all thrive magnificently here--but I daresay they go through knickers like an Irishman through a fifth of bourbon (if you pardon the risque comparison!). Why, just a scant month ago I presented Eliza with Parisian silk panties for her 20th birthday, and she was so grateful and overjoyed at the gift that she did not leave my bedroom that evening! She's such a dear, affectionate child.

Young Mary has blossomed into a fine woman, and many of the visitors to my artists' salon have commented favorably upon her beauty. In fact, the famed society portraitist Clyde Devereaux (who painted Henry James with his beloved pet spaniel Florence)has taken an interest in "sketching" her--fear no scandal, my dear. I shall be present at every session between artist and model. Clyde is an old friend who takes direction very, very well.

Elizabeth, as you know, has always marched to the beat of a different drummer: She has joined the temperance movement, and spends her idle moment carving wood portraits of Carrie Nation.

And thus we have it, a quick summary of how your girls fare these lovely days in New York City. Just this morning, as I bathed Mary and ran the washcloth over her creamy, smooth thighs, I fervently thanked you and the Lord for entrusting these sweet creatures unto my care.

For your troubles, I enclose a cheque to cover the loss of Evangeline, your milking cow. Pray, I hope you and Mr. Gunderson put aside your pride and use it to your full advantage! A good cow is hard to find--even I, a city "mouse," know this!

Godspeed, dear friend!

Mrs. Vivian Darkbloom
12 Beekman Place
New York
Edited Date: 2008-06-13 09:06 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-06-14 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leavethesky.livejournal.com
LMFAO!!! You two should publish these! I would love to read the ongoing correspondence between these two brave souls. Brilliant!!

Date: 2008-06-13 07:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wprincessnerd.livejournal.com
(laughing at the post above!)

I managed to get to page 462 of the 656 pages of Leni Riefenstahl's autobiography (the bookmark is still there!). I think that brought me up to her photography work with the Nuba in Africa. Her life was ... well, yeah. um. yeah. wow.

You should check out the docu "The Horrible Wonderful Life of Leni Riefenstahl." (one more for netflix, dahling!) It gives you a real sense of the focus and determination that fed that self-delusion.

Too bad Jodie Foster never made that Riefenstahl film she was working on some years ago. As I recall, Riefenstahl was not pleased about it, so I'm thinking it was not of the "Why, I was just an innocent bystander!" variety. (as if!!)

Date: 2008-06-13 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
You get a gold star for getting through most of that goddamn book. :)
I did see the Riefenstahl doco a couple years ago, but it's definitely worth watching again (I love the part where she's telling the director how to direct the movie! She was a piece of work.)

Now that Leni has passed on, perhaps Jodie can reconsider making a movie about her...

Date: 2008-06-13 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandyosullivan.livejournal.com
See... I think you have to feel justified that you even started Don Quixote. And Riefenstahl, I don't even think she read that book... it's not just self-deluding, it's poorly written. The thing about Quixote though, and I had to teach myself this lesson with Steinbeck some years ago, just because it's got lots of lengthy explanations of things and has some important moments, doesn't mean it speaks to everyone. I think that notion that there is classic lit that if you don't read it or get it or love it, you're less worthy, is a good one to toss out the window. I still think it takes more courage to stop reading these texts at the second page than it does to soldier on.

And I hear you on the childbirth thing... but it's an indicator isn't it? I mean, again, it's how a book or author grabs you by sharing your views and values, or at least not challenging them to the core... not that that isn't nice occasionally... but even so I'm not sure that Riefenstahl will get you literary brownie points in heaven.

Date: 2008-06-13 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
just because it's got lots of lengthy explanations of things and has some important moments, doesn't mean it speaks to everyone. I think that notion that there is classic lit that if you don't read it or get it or love it, you're less worthy, is a good one to toss out the window.

You're right, of course, but it is a hard notion to shake. How many times have you heard, "Ohmygod, you haven't read -------?" or "You mean you read ------ and didn't like it???"

Plus there is, I think, a kind of lit major machismo at work too: "Finish the book, you pussy! What, you can't take 500 pages of digressions? Or even 300 pages of misogyny? Suck it, loser!"

I mean, again, it's how a book or author grabs you by sharing your views and values, or at least not challenging them to the core...

Perhaps if they were truly radical or different, unique viewpoints instead of the same old tired horseshit (women need to have babies or they're basket cases)...I like to be challenged, I think. And as for Leni, I think you would have to be a saint to read her story and give her the benefit of the doubt.

Date: 2008-06-13 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stargazer1960.livejournal.com
There once was a Greek named Heraclitus,
who would never do anything twice, just once.
So, he tried to give birth,
but the attempt brought him dearth.
For he found he was lacking a uterus.

--Hypocritdieyous, 670 BCE

ha!

Date: 2008-06-14 01:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
Sweetie, you are just too brill for words! Love it. I've always admired your skill with the limerick!

Date: 2008-06-14 01:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eclecticfan.livejournal.com
For he found he was lacking a uterus.

bummer that

Date: 2008-06-14 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fialka.livejournal.com
Calvino wrote the forward? Um, Italo Calvino? In which case, I might want to reconsider my love of The Periodic Table. OTOH, sometimes it's best not to re-read things you didn't remember as misogynistic before feminism ate your brain. I mean, I adored Milan Kundera once upon a time as well...

*cough*

[edited to add]: And if it's any consolation, while I have read Middlemarch, I have never gotten past page 3 of A Tale of Two Cities without falling asleep.
Edited Date: 2008-06-14 09:36 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-06-25 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
sometimes it's best not to re-read things you didn't remember as misogynistic before feminism ate your brain. I mean, I adored Milan Kundera once upon a time as well...

I wanted to like Kundera, but--yeah. I know. I like his face. That's about it.

I have never gotten past page 3 of A Tale of Two Cities without falling asleep.

Despite my rabid Anglophilia, I have never been able to get through ANY Dickens. Major yawnfest!

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