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Save Knut!

In all the flurry about the furry, adorable polar cub, many ignore the larger question: Should the "animal rights" activist be put down? Clearly, he has not been reared properly amongst the Germans and is not fitting into his Natural Habitat. He probably doesn't like beer or Fassbinder films or even a good Riesling, for heaven's sake.

Save the Polar Bear, Save the World!

Date: 2007-03-21 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cabenson.livejournal.com
Animals similarly rejected by their mothers in captivity have in the past been killed

How would the activist feel if we expanded this practice to include human children neglected or abandoned by their mothers? I know where I'd like to start.

He probably doesn't like beer or Fassbinder films or even a good Riesling, for heaven's sake.
This describes me?! Maybe I should be put down. Oh wait, I am only a quarter German.

Never mind.

Re: Save the Polar Bear, Save the World!

Date: 2007-03-22 01:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
Yes, it does beg the question, "Where do we draw the line?" I agree that ideally the bear should be in the wild, but if the zookeepers have the slightest chance in raising him in such a way that he can have a half-decent existence in captivity, I don't see why they shouldn't take that chance. I mean, he was born into captivity--had his mother lived, would they have released him into the wild?

Polar bears are solitary creatures to begin with, so perhaps the socialization issue might not be as fraught with difficulty as some think.

Date: 2007-03-21 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rebism.livejournal.com
OK, I get his point about the poor wee adorable baby bear eventually being put behind bars and separated from those he's grown to know as family, sure. But there are surely other alternatives than "let's keeeel eeet!"? Or, if he's researched it thoroughly and found that there aren't, there surely must be a more rational explanation that he could give than just "hi, I'm an animal rights activist, this animal will be treated badly, so it's better he doesn't live at all". FTW?

Date: 2007-03-22 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
Agreed. But I have yet to hear rational or empirical evidence in support of killing the animal. I don't believe that because an animal will have a less than ideal existence that it should be killed.

Date: 2007-03-21 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eclecticfan.livejournal.com
::headdesk::

::headdesk:: ::headdesk:: ::headdesk::

I whole heartedly agree - someone should shoot the activist

Date: 2007-03-22 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
I thought one of the responders to the Guardian's blog said it very well: "To claim a deep love for living beings, and to simultaneously use this platform to argue for the killing of any creature which does not conform to one's notions of ideological purity, is to abdicate any possibility of being taken seriously."

Date: 2007-03-23 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m0rrigan.livejournal.com
Only for a British news site would you find something as articulate and intelligent as that in the comments section. Had it been on, say, Fox news' site, I suspect it would have read something more like this:

"if u luv bares & use that as excuze 2 say kill da bares cuz they dont be pure to whut bares shood b, then no1 will take u seriously."

That said, save Knut! Nothing that adorable deserves to die.

Date: 2007-03-23 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
Hahaha...you sure do translate into Amurrican real well!

Date: 2007-03-21 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-humanfema327.livejournal.com
aw, i'll adopt it and take it everywhere with me then it won't get sad. and me and annie leibovitz can get married and she can take pictures of it. everyone's happy.

Date: 2007-03-22 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
Oh, a new icon! And it's so cute!

Are you sure you and Annie won't get too competitive about the photo thing? You are a photographer in your own right as well! We don't want Knut to be stressed out; he might eat you both.

Date: 2007-03-23 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-humanfema327.livejournal.com
its baby abra! aw, baby abra.

i dont think there will be too much competition between me and annie! if the worst comes to the worst, i'll smear her with bear food.

i read more about that bear stuff and apparently the animal rights guy didnt want the bear killed at all - it was just one of germany-s crummy papers that reported it that way for a good story. he was actually saying that they killed a baby sloth (?) for the same reasons in leipzig and why would they save this bear and not that one. but all the papers have copied it now. poor guy!

Oh Shoot!

Date: 2007-03-21 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Sweetie...baby doll, we can't let them do that. the poor cubby. Can't we train the little thing? We can write a KNUT Broadway play. Call it "Annie go get your camera or Open Season...the musical." Staring Annie Liebovitz and Knut, there's singing dancing...comedy...sex. Huh...well I was hoping for at least a small part. I can sing, dance (if you have a pole installed) and I play the harmonica like nobody can, or so I've told. Ha! What...oh shoot, don't tell me it's been done. Later sweetie, SZJ out

Re: Oh Shoot!

Date: 2007-03-22 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
Baby doll, I do think Knut has star potential. I'll have his people contact your people and we'll see what we can work out.

Date: 2007-03-21 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stargazer1960.livejournal.com
Can't imagine that with polar bears drowning as the arctic shelf melts that we would actually shoot one.

Al Gore would not approve.

Date: 2007-03-22 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
Al is sort of cute and cuddly now, like a polar bear! Could we unleash Knut on the White House? He might develop a taste for Republicans.

Date: 2007-03-21 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lelak.livejournal.com
Send him Down Under. He can replace the guy in the bear suit they currently use for the Bundy Rum ads.

Date: 2007-03-22 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
The very phrase "Bundy Rum" makes me laugh.

Oh mummy, can I have an Australian? Please? I promise to feed it lots of vegemite and cheap beer and it shall its own litter box!

Date: 2007-03-23 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maroukian.livejournal.com
lelak, I love your icon

we should embrace the bear!

Date: 2007-03-22 01:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badtyler.livejournal.com
And by doing so, embrace the bear in all of us.
Clearly, the activist has gone bonkers from years of wearing plastic shoes and ployester blend sweaters.

Yes, have him put down, immediately. I suggest we leave him on an ice floe, but do it quickly, since rumour has it that Antarctica is going to be the hot spot for Spring Break, 2008.

Regards--
Ursus Major

Re: we should embrace the bear!

Date: 2007-03-22 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
Clearly, the activist has gone bonkers from years of wearing plastic shoes and ployester blend sweaters.

Oh sweetie...you're right, it always comes down to fashion. If he had a Lacroix mindset, he would be such a different person.

Re: we should embrace the bear!

Date: 2007-03-23 03:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badtyler.livejournal.com
Whenever I see 'Lacroix' I always think of the AbFab ep when Bettina and Max first have that baby and it spits up on Edina.
"Spit-up... this is Lacroix, sweetie dahling!"

:)

Date: 2007-03-22 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] godessillyria.livejournal.com
Polar Bear Season...Activist Season...Polar Bear Season...Activist Season--Shoot them now!!!

(Bow to the greatness that is Bugs and Daffy)

Seriously, extremists of this sort lose all perspective. This is a living creature that will have a good quality of life. Snuffing it's life is just backwards thinking.

Cocksuckers!!!

Date: 2007-03-22 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
Polar Bear Season...Activist Season...Polar Bear Season...Activist Season

Haahahaha! I loved that one, too.

It is extremist thinking, and I'm glad that most people aren't swayed by it. All we are saaaaaying...is give Knut a chance! [/john&yoko]

get knut PR,PR!!!!

Date: 2007-03-22 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raginhoops.livejournal.com
Knut needs Edina, like right away; after all, she got Lulu on American Idol....BTW, Lulu looked Fab.

Re: get knut PR,PR!!!!

Date: 2007-03-22 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
sweetie! darling! "You can never have enough hats, gloves, or polar bears."

Lulu is aging rather well, I must say.

Date: 2007-03-22 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maroukian.livejournal.com
I'm really late on this debate, but nevertheless, I will kick in.

Frank Albrecht, the activist, is an opportunistic bastard who is using this poor creature to further his "animal rights" platform. I cannot think of a more despicable, hypocritical, STOOPID, selfish, narcissistic, megalomaniac thing to do. In his deluded brain, Albrecht believes that the greater "good"--- of promoting understanding among all of us plebeians who might alter an animal's natural habitat to keep the animal alive-- out weights the evil of destroying 1 creature.

All for a public relations campaign... what a waste.



Date: 2007-03-22 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
Yeah, it's definitely a PR move, but it's a bad one. Even if he's just stirring up controversy to promote dialogue or awareness, it's just plain dumb. Because people are just too shocked and outraged by his stance.

A more realistic approach would help: How can we help animals survive in a changing habitat? We've done some irreversible damage to the environment--maybe we can make it better but it will take time, and if we can't, we need to focus on ways we can all adapt to the changes.

Date: 2007-03-22 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maroukian.livejournal.com
Because people are just too shocked and outraged by his stance.

I appreciate your point of view and as my comment indicated, I think his tactics are reprehensible. But the question with regard to a good or bad PR stunt remains: would any of us even noticed a campaign that leads with... How can we help animals survive in a changing habitat (?)

I am not sure that lead would have made the blogs like Frank Albrecht and poor cute Knut did. No matter how awful the whole thing sounds, we are all more "aware" of his stance on animals' natural habitats.

Date: 2007-03-22 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maroukian.livejournal.com
one more note of disgust...

Albrecht succeeded in doing exactly what he really wanted, (which was not really to destroy an animal), but to get people talking about respect for animals' natural habits. So, I not sure, after some thought, his was a bad PR campaign. By talking about it, pondering it, commenting, etc... I am actually doing exactly what the jackass wants.

Date: 2007-03-22 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
I see your points here, definitely. But I think the initial obfuscation in the matter--taking the stance "it should be killed"--might not be conducive to long-term dialogue about the situation, or taking steps to do something...or maybe it will? I would like to think Knut's existence rather than his loss would contribute more to promoting change than the blathering of a jackass. But only time will tell.

Date: 2007-03-23 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maroukian.livejournal.com
This is certainly a conversation better conducted over vodka than a PC, holygirl...

I would like to think Knut's existence rather than his loss would contribute more to promoting change

Yes! of course, I agree - I would hope any sane person would! But isn't this sort of like any other extreme of any other issue? The people on the extremes moving the issue forward are the people who are absolutely nuts. Yet, they get centrists' collective attention because we are so SHOCKED by their absurd proposals that we are like, "wait a minute... kill the bear? You're certifiably nuts!" Like guns-- the NRA is BONKERS! Their platform will allow not one concession, at all. They say stoopid stuff that they don't believe: "I see no difference between an AK-47 and a sporting rifle... no difference at all." IDIOTS!

Anyway, Knut (that darling bear, my gosh, he is just so cute I can't stand it) There is no way that a man who sings Elvis songs to the cub is going to allow this nutcase to kill him...

...A keeper moved in to Knut's cage to care for him around the clock. The keeper, Thomas Doerflein, even plays him Elvis Presley ballads on his guitar, saying he has a penchant for You're the Devil in Disguise.

Date: 2007-03-23 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theholyinnocent.livejournal.com
This is certainly a conversation better conducted over vodka than a PC, holygirl...

Sure, we (well, you) would be coherent for a while until we (well, me) would get all blubbery and girly about Knut. "OMG, he so cute! I LOVE HIM!"

I have faith in Knut's human buddies. Behold the power of Elvis! We're caught in a trap / I can't walk out / Because I love you too much, baby...

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